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		<title>请问你是否经历过这样的产品流程，如何解决的？</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[来自知乎的问题：请问你是否经历过这样的产品流程，如何解决的？（有图有真相） 存个挡，我在知乎的回答如下： 我主要角色是PM和运营，经历的项目都会延期，立项和产品设计阶段算是比较顺利，BOSS和RD都没太多意见（因为没有多少人会详细看需求文档），开发期就很难讲，各种情况都会出现，最后必然都会延期。 YY下解决方法： 立项时设定明确的目标，尤其是BOSS的目标，且团队所有人必须都明白、认可；不认可的话不如直接退出。 产品设计阶段，PM需求分析要更实际，粒度更合适，保证符合目标，团队所有人都可参与需求迭代。 如果BOSS懂产品，PM就听、想并和RD沟通、执行，用结果证明BOSS的想法对错，不同的BOSS结果不同；如果BOSS强势表达意见，PM只能解释、举例证明，没得商量的就照做，结果不好的话最后就是换公司。 项目需求分析必须设定截止期限，超期需求只能下期加入，BOSS也不例外，做不到这点的不如不做。 项目整体PM都要团结RD，了解RD的想法、难处，如果RD懂产品、执行力高，一般合作很愉快，否则只能看是否能说服。 做到上面的，开发期RD可以踏踏实实的开发，PM等角色辅助支持就好。<table class="wumii-related-items" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" border="0" width="100%" style="clear: both;">
    
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>来自知乎的问题：<a href="http://www.zhihu.com/question/19613226" target="_blank">请问你是否经历过这样的产品流程，如何解决的？（有图有真相）</a><br />
<a href="http://blog.94smart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/4b625dcfjw1dgkjlo66y5j.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1521" title="产品流程" src="http://blog.94smart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/4b625dcfjw1dgkjlo66y5j-300x229.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="229" /></a></p>
<p>存个挡，我在知乎的回答如下：</p>
<p>我主要角色是PM和运营，经历的项目都会延期，立项和产品设计阶段算是比较顺利，BOSS和RD都没太多意见（因为没有多少人会详细看需求文档），开发期就很难讲，各种情况都会出现，最后必然都会延期。</p>
<p>YY下解决方法：</p>
<ol>
<li>立项时设定明确的目标，尤其是BOSS的目标，且团队所有人必须都明白、认可；不认可的话不如直接退出。</li>
<li>产品设计阶段，PM需求分析要更实际，粒度更合适，保证符合目标，团队所有人都可参与需求迭代。</li>
<li>如果BOSS懂产品，PM就听、想并和RD沟通、执行，用结果证明BOSS的想法对错，不同的BOSS结果不同；如果BOSS强势表达意见，PM只能解释、举例证明，没得商量的就照做，结果不好的话最后就是换公司。</li>
<li>项目需求分析必须设定截止期限，超期需求只能下期加入，BOSS也不例外，做不到这点的不如不做。</li>
<li>项目整体PM都要团结RD，了解RD的想法、难处，如果RD懂产品、执行力高，一般合作很愉快，否则只能看是否能说服。</li>
<li>做到上面的，开发期RD可以踏踏实实的开发，PM等角色辅助支持就好。</li>
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		<title>移动或移不动的互联网</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>我Blog的副标题是：移动或移不动的互联网，其实这个标题在之前叫“移动或不移动的互联网”，两个字顺序的不同代表我最近2年心态的变化：</p>
<ul>
<li>2年多前，进入移动互联网行业，那时候大环境还在SP的阴影下，很多互联网产品只考虑PC用户，觉得：手机上的客户端/WAP等产品是SP用来骗钱用的、iPhone是用来装B的等等，那个时候传统互联网是不会移动的。</li>
<li>2年多后，越来越多的热门互联网产品开始移动，彩版、手机版、WAP2.0还是最新的HTML5的怎么叫都好，反正手机要能用，如果你的产品没有iOS或Android版，那你又OUT了，这个时候的互联网只有没法移、移不动的才不移动。</li>
</ul>
<p>最近被各种人泼冷水，至亲好友、同事、网友等等，反正是各种不看好吧，我只能说就跟互联网刚出来的时候，一样有那么多脏水泼在搜索、电子商务、OICQ上，那又怎么？一样成就百度、阿里、腾讯。</p>
<p>我相信现在只有移不动的互联网，没有不移动的互联网，我比两年前更信仰移动互联网，要坚持下去。</p>
<p>p.s.前两天又手贱，用svn sw方式更新了wordpress的代码，发现各种报错，结果不得以只好重装了一遍，还好数据库和文件还在，顺便换了几个主题，最后选了P2这个主题，很清爽。</p>
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		<title>十月底杭州见，UCD年会2010</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>94smart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[这个月底，在杭州，第二届UCD年会又要开了，今年的主题是“全民体验”，据小道消息透露业界主要精英都会云集于本届年会，而且嘉宾绝对够份量，又在杭州，真是令人遐（瞎）想呀。 我上届就没能参加，对本届UCD盛会还是非常向往的，只不过这时间紧、任务重的时候，暂时还没把老板绕过去，10月底去不去得了对我自己来说又是个很大的悬念了～ 转发下来自白鸦的消息： “UCD年会”由UCDChina组织，内容围绕互联网产品设计。 2009年11月，UCDChina联合广州美术学院组织了第一届“UCD年会”，反响甚好；2010年10月30日，我们将把第二届“UCD年会”安排在美丽的杭州。众多国内产品设计界草根精英将齐聚一趟，共同探讨互联网产品设计的话题。 诚邀你的光临。 时间：2010.10.30 地点：浙江大学 紫金港校区 主题：全民体验 预计规模：450人以上 详细介绍及日程安排：http://ucdchina.com/club/2010/ （购票窗口已经小范围打开，参加过书友会的同学请联系当地书友会组织者）<table class="wumii-related-items" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" border="0" width="100%" style="clear: both;">
    
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="UCD年会2010" href="http://ucdchina.com/club/2010/" target="_blank"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1332" title="UCD2010" src="http://blog.94smart.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/719138f4deaaec26dcc47436.jpg" alt="" width="468" height="60" /></a></p>
<p>这个月底，在杭州，第二届UCD年会又要开了，今年的主题是“全民体验”，据小道消息透露业界主要精英都会云集于本届年会，而且嘉宾绝对够份量，又在杭州，真是令人遐（瞎）想呀。</p>
<p>我上届就没能参加，对本届UCD盛会还是非常向往的，只不过这时间紧、任务重的时候，暂时还没把老板绕过去，10月底去不去得了对我自己来说又是个很大的悬念了～</p>
<p>转发下来自<a title="白鸦" href="http://uicom.net/blog/?p=888" target="_blank">白鸦</a>的消息：</p>
<p>“UCD年会”由<a title="ucdchina大社区" href="http://ucdhina.com" target="_blank">UCDChina</a>组织，内容围绕互联网产品设计。</p>
<p>2009年11月，UCDChina联合广州美术学院组织了第一届“UCD年会”，反响甚好；2010年10月30日，我们将把第二届“UCD年会”安排在美丽的杭州。众多国内产品设计界草根精英将齐聚一趟，共同探讨互联网产品设计的话题。</p>
<p>诚邀你的光临。</p>
<p>时间：2010.10.30<br />
地点：浙江大学 紫金港校区<br />
主题：全民体验<br />
预计规模：450人以上<br />
详细介绍及日程安排：<a title="2010专题" href="http://ucdchina.com/club/2010/" target="_blank">http://ucdchina.com/club/2010/</a></p>
<p>（购票窗口已经小范围打开，参加过书友会的同学请<a title="UCD书友会" href="http://ucdchina.com/club/" target="_blank">联系当地书友会组织者</a>）</p>
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		<title>产品团队管理，确实是个问题</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>94smart</dc:creator>
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                        <font size="-1" color="#333333" style="line-height: 1.65em; font-size: 12px !important;">产品也是一样，记住不要让用户白费心血，顺赞AVOS一下，del icio us可以焕发青春了。</font>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>今天看了<a href="http://firecacada.blog.163.com/blog/static/7074376201021214427132/" target="_blank">纯银的《产品团队管理经验一枚》</a>，深有同感，同样是转型产品设计，同样是从无到有，还有不少相同的就不一一列举了。</p>
<p>也许N年以后到我离开现在的公司，也可以很好的总结一下管理团队的经验，更多是写给自己，没准节选一些放在Blog上吧。</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>装还是不装，这是问题？</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>94smart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[白鸦和Keso最近的火药味很浓，当然，说的是在产品设计上的事： 鸦说：把自己当作一个平凡的用户，不停的用。 Keso说：别装了，你不是用户 鸦又说：装，是必须的 讨论核心是装还是不装，我觉得都对。 做产品不是只有一种方法，装是一种方法，不装是另一种方法，且还有其他方法。 做产品的目的可能会有不同，但好的、成功的产品有很多共同点，比如可用、易用等。 所以，只要可以将产品做好或者达到产品的既定目标，可以通过各种方法，装还是不装都行吧，殊途同归嘛。 最后，管我叫墙头草好了，我希望达到不装的境界，但更希望装的出神入化。]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>白鸦和Keso最近的火药味很浓，当然，说的是在产品设计上的事：</p>
<blockquote><p>鸦说：<a href="http://uicom.net/blog/?p=808" target="_blank">把自己当作一个平凡的用户，不停的用。</a></p>
<p>Keso说：<a href="http://www.5gme.com/space-111-do-blog-id-43038.html" target="_blank">别装了，你不是用户</a></p>
<p>鸦又说：<a href="http://uicom.net/blog/?p=809" target="_blank">装，是必须的</a></p></blockquote>
<p>讨论核心是装还是不装，我觉得都对。</p>
<p>做产品不是只有一种方法，装是一种方法，不装是另一种方法，且还有其他方法。</p>
<p>做产品的目的可能会有不同，但好的、成功的产品有很多共同点，比如可用、易用等。</p>
<p>所以，只要可以将产品做好或者达到产品的既定目标，可以通过各种方法，装还是不装都行吧，殊途同归嘛。</p>
<p>最后，管我叫墙头草好了，我希望达到不装的境界，但更希望装的出神入化。</p>]]></content:encoded>
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